Quest_Moderator
Welcome early birds! I will start posting questions as soon as
our scientists arrive! Make sure you've posted some of yours to the room
(that way you can have a head start!) - Linda
Scearce_MVMS_IA
<Q>Hi Linda- Just checking if this is working on our computers-
I may have some students join us after all.
Quest_Moderator
<A>Good to hear! I was delighted
to see you on!
.
Good_Shepherd_Day_School_Punta_G
<Q>How do we get access to time-series
of Landsat? We don't know how to do it.
Robert_Bindschadler <A>Good question. LIMA is basically a "snapshot"--one
point in time. We have one example on the lima.nasa.gov website where
we prepared three images. Otherwise, you need to go get other Landsat
images yourself. The best place to do this is the EarthExplorer website
that the USGS runs. Landsat data are now free. Google on EarthExplorer
to find the site.
Eddie_Millinocket
<Q>Have
you ever found any preserved mammals?
Tom_Wagner <A>Yes, as fossils on the islands between Antarctica
and South America. They're important because they show that Antarctica
was the crossroads to the world around a 100 of millions of years
ago. In fact, it's speculated that mammals got to Australia from
Africa via Antarctica. And some may have even evolved in Antarctica
before moving around.
Jared_Millinocket
<Q>If it snows
in Anarctica a big portion of the time then why don't glaciers
start immediatly after the snow storm ends because the snow would
compress and make ice. I know it takes millions of years to make
a glacier but wouldn't it start after the latest storm.
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>I suppose
technically the glacier does form right away, even though the snow
hasn't compressed to ice yet. The snow or ice will start to flow,
but very very slowly. As the ice gets thicker, the force of gravity
will force the ice to move faster and faster.
Good_Shepherd_Day_School_Punta_G
<Q>For
Ted Scambos: Why did you say that this is one of the fastest changing
parts of the ocean around Antarctica?
Ted_Scambos
<A>This area of the
ocean is seeing a lot less floating ice (sea ice) than it used
to, up to 20% less than in the 1980s. And the land area downwind
from this area is warming rapidly, that's the Antarctic Peninsula.
Glaciers in the Antarctic Peninsula are retreating from the coast,
because the water has gotten warmer, and the air is warmer in teh
summer, causing more melt. So it would be very interesting to see
if Peter I island is also changing.
Sarah_Millinocket
<Q>How
can you tell if a mountain is indinted or outdented on the top.
Ginny_Catania
<A>I
would look at the shadows in the image. If the mountain-top has
a similar shadow to a nearby mountain that you know has a peak,
it likely has the same shape.
Leah_Millinocket
<Q>In Mark from Millinocket
Middle School's proposal what would some of the effects and problems
that would happen if the supposed volcano were to erupt?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Think
about how an erupting volcano changes the environment from what
was there the day before the eruption. A volcano adds heat and
ash. Heat would melt the snow and ice. Ash that lands on the
surface would make the surface darker which would absorb more
solar radiation, leading to more melting.
Leah_Millinocket
<Q>In Alex from
Millinocket Middle School'd proposal what is the real possibilty
of finding dinosaur bones and such? Wouldn't the bones have been
crushed by the flowing ice already?
Ginny_Catania
<A>It's possible,
but most researchers search for fossils on rock. If the dinos were
there before the ice was there, there would be no bones in the
ice.
Leah_Millinocket
<Q>In Mark from Millinocket
Middle School's proposal if a volcanic eruption were to happen
what would the effects or the problems that would happen
in Antarctica?
Tom_Wagner
<A>Good questions!
There are volcanic eruptions nearly every day at Mt Erebus in
Antarctica. Check out the MEVO website--you can see the lava
lake in the summit explode! The answer to your question is that
it depends where the volcano is. Mt Erebus's summit isn't covered
with ice, so the eruptions come straight out. But a volcano buried
by ice could cause an explosion and make a neat rock call hyaloclastite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyaloclastite There is also some
worry that an eruption could melt some of the overlying ice,
make water and lubricate its base, and maybe speed up the flow
of the glacier.
Matthew_Millinockey
<Q>about how much land
does Antarctica cover
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>You could
Google this answer, but I'll give it to you. The areal extent of
ANtarctica is roughly 14 million sq. km. Larger than the US.
John_Millinoket_Maine
<Q>What
sort of machinary do you use to find out what kind of land there
is under the ice?
Ginny_Catania
<A>There are several
types of instruments that you can use; ice-penetrating radar is
similar to an x-ray of your body. Ice is transparent to radio waves,
so they can pass through it easily. But the base of the ice sheet
is not as transparent, so the radio waves bounce off of the bed.
We tow a radar system by an airplane or overland to image the ice
sheet and the base just like you see in cross sections of rock
on the side of the highway. Similarly, seismic systems are used
to image the base of the ice sheet. These types of systems can
see through the mud at the bottom of the ice to see what's underneath
that mud. If all of that fails, you can drill to the bottom!
travisa_shenandoah.k12.ia.us
<Q>is
this the only place to log in?
Quest_Moderator <A>This is it!
Just post your quesitons, and I will forward them to our experts.
If you'd like to address it to one or the other in particular,
please feel free to do so!
alainamvms_IA
<Q>Does anyone
know where Aeolian sand comes from?
Ginny_Catania <A>Aeolian
is a Greek word that means 'produced by the wind' so aeolian sand
is wind-blown sand.
taylor_millinocket
<Q>Is it possible
to have a volcano that is active but will never erupt?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Ask yourself "how did the volcano form"?
Through eruption, so I don't think you can have a volcano without
eruptions sometime. But volcanos that have already formed can go
dormant. I had a vulconologist once tell me that there is no such
thing as a permanently dormant volcano. Never say never!
Leah_Millinocket
<Q>Is
there a way to test the ice at the top of the summit to tell if
it's actually a volcano?
Tom_Wagner
<A>Sure, you might
see things in the ice that show heat is being released. Or you
might see gas escaping. Or you might see volcanic ash layers embedded
in the ice around the volcano.
kylesciencemilli
<Q>Could
ice swell when water is under it?? If so, how much and why???
Tom_Wagner
<A>Yes, it could.
And in some cases water has been seen to flow under the ice and
cause it to rise and fall.
Mark__Millinocket
<Q>How could
I find out if a summit is or used to be a volcano? And
how would that be measured?
Tom_Wagner
<A>One way is to look
at its shape. Look at pictures of volcanos on the internet and
you'll see.
JENNY_MVMS <Q>HI Does some one know how deep
Don Juan Pond is?
Tom_Wagner <A>Shallow!
You can walk across it and not get your knees wet in most of it.
Alex_Millinocket
<Q>How
would you use LIMA to find rocks with fossils in them?
Tom_Wagner
<A>I'd learn about
the rocks where the dinosaur bones were found, and then look for
similar rocks in other areas of the TransAntarctic Mountains with
LIMA.
Tom_Wagner
<Q>I have a question for
the students--what intrigued you to learn about LIMA/
Jared_Millinocket
<Q>What percentage
of Antarctica has been thoroughly explored?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Great question. Via satellite,
we "seen" it
all, but seeing it one way doesn't tell us all that we want to
know. If anything, it leads to new questions. Field teams can
only visit small parts of the surface. That's why data like LIMA
are so valuable. It lets scientists see a lot and let them pick
the most interesting places to go work. Back to your question--very
few areas have been "thoroughly explored", well less
than 1%
Joe_CaidenMVMS_Iowa
<Q>Do you know why Onyx River
is the only river in Anarctica?
Tom_Wagner
<A>Well, you need
two things for the river--water and a place for it to flow. In
Antarctica, both of those are rare!
Kristen_Millinocket
<Q>What
are some of the most interesting artifacts you have found in Antarctica?
Ted_Scambos
<A>That -I- have
found.... hmm. I visited some of the old hut buildings that Scott
and Shackleton used in their early visits, but those are like museums,
they were re-found a long time ago and are protected as monuments
to the early heros. I have found some flags and poles in the middle
of the ice sheet that had been left behind ~20 years earlier -
it was odd to see a flag on a very short pole flapping in the snow,
and to know that the pole was really 8 feet long. The flag was
all threads and ragged, and had faded in the sun.
Good_Shepherd_Day_School_Punta_G
<Q>We
think there might be pieces of ice breaking off the Tofte Glacier
and eventually floating away and melting in warm waters, but we
don't know where to look for this information-help!
Ginny_Catania
<A>One way might
be to compare the LIMA images of Tofte with other images of that
glacier in the past.
g5-redd-texas-garay
<Q>what type
of resarch is most done in antarctica? biology, geology,atmosphere
or oceanography?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>It depends on how you measure "most".
I think the budget for biology is largest, but there is plenty
of great research in the other areas that would take place if the
research money was there. Each group is addressing important questions.
travisa_shenandaoh.k12.ia.us
<Q>could
lava go through ice tunnels and cause ice bergs to calve?
Tom_Wagner
<A>Yes, lava can make
ice tunnels. But usually it's just the heat and gas escaping from
the magma that percolates up through the ice that makes spectacular
ice caves. Calving usually happens far from where there are volcanoes--in
the ocean!
travisa_shenandaoh.k12.ia.us
<Q>our teacher has
done many NASA projects and this was an oppourtunity to do something
new and exciting.
Quest_Moderator <A>We're
so glad you could join us!
Lucas_Millinocket
<Q>My question
is how can you tell the start of a glacier to the end of a glacier
Ted_Scambos
<A>Well, that's a
good one -- but its easy to answer: they flow downhill. But even
if somehow you didn' t know the elevation, you could tell: glaciers
start off with lots of smooth snow, in an area where lots of snow
falls and collects. As they flow away from the 'catchment', they
get cracks in them ('crevasses') and they start to expose more
ice. At the end, there are rock piled up and lots of sand, which
are materials from the underlying bedrock that the glacier has
pushed forward.
Joe_CaidenMVMS_Iowa
<Q>Can you put underwater
probes in the lakes that are completely frozen?
Tom_Wagner
<A>Yes, we make holes in the ice with "Hotsies" and
then we put probes down--even people! Who scuba dive in the lakes.
Joe_CaidenMVMS_Iowa
<Q>We
thought that it could be very interesting to work on LIMA.
Quest_Moderator
<A>I noticed that you were one of the fortunate
proposers to get 3 responses from the scientists. Do you have any
specific questions that will help you do your final proposal?
travisa_shenandaoh.k12.ia.us
<Q>Mr. Bindschadler, how can
you tell how well B-15A ice berg is attached to the ice tongue?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>I'd want to know two things: how
thick the ice is and how cold is that ice. Thickness we can estimate
by measuring the length of the shadow the iceberg casts on the
water. Knowing the elevation of the sun, one can figure how much
ice sticks out of the water. Then knowing the densities of ice
and water, one gets the density. These can be figured out from
LIMA imagery. The other thing that affects the strength of the
connection is the ice temperature. Colder ice is stiffer and stronger.
This is hard to measure from space, but you can estimate it by
knowing the air temperature and the water temperature.
mvms_IA
<Q>does any one know
how deep lake hoare is?
Ginny_Catania
<A>I'm not sure, but I would guess a few meters.
You might be able to find this out using the web. There is a lot
of info. on this lake because of the McMurdo LTER site that is
nearby.
travisa_shenandaoh.k12.ia.us
<Q>what
causes ice burgs to attatch again once they have broken off?
Tom_Wagner
<A>They get frozen
in sea ice, which is when the surface of the ocean freezes. Icebergs
come from glaciers from the land that flow into the ocean.
pgardner
<Q>Connally Elementary:
Our Answer to Tom Wagner: We are concerned about Antarctica's effect
on the global climate and how it might directly affect us in Texas.
Tom_Wagner
<A>Thanks!
Joe_CaidenMVMS_Iowa
<Q>Do you
know the origin of Lake Vida?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>I'm not
an expert on surface lakes in Antarctica, so I'll take the simple
approach and suggest that Lake Vida is there because enough water
melted from the ice to collect and it found a local depression.
Voila, Lake Vida! Maybe you have better ideas.
travisa_shenandaoh.k12.ia.us
<Q>what
causes crevices in ice bergs, and do the ice bergs crack on crevaces?
Ted_Scambos
<A>This is a really
good question, I was just working on this. Most of the cracks on
icebergs are 'leftovers' from when the iceberg was a part of the
ice sheet - but icebergs can get their own cracks, too, from being
bent by ocean tides or banging into islands or other icebergs.
But the interesting crevasses I was working on form at the edges
of the icebergs, from the forces that are placed on the iceberg
just by it floating in water. The water 'squeezes' the iceberg
- or a ship, or a log, or any other floating object -- but ice
is flexible, and so it bends a bit; sometimes it can crack at the
edge, and a long, skinny piece of the edge of the iceberg will
float away. They look like McDonald's french fries in the water
-- but the size of aircraft carriers.
rehanna_mvms_iowa
<Q>How do lichen
and fungui stay alive during the harsh winter?
Tom_Wagner
<A>Good question--WE
DON'T KNOW! But there also fish and insects that survive in conditions
below their freezing point.
Emily_Millinocket
<Q>Is it possible
for a volcano to erupt in Antarctica? Also how do you know if
a volcano is active or dormant with the ice and snow covering
it?
Tom_Wagner
<A>yes! Check out
the MEVO website. Volcanoes have their own heat, so they erupt
just fine in the cold regions. But strange things happen when
magma and ice meet, including explosions!
JENNY_MVMS
<Q>Hi Do you know
how many ponds are in Antarctica that are not frozen over like
Don Juan Pond?
Ted_Scambos
<A>Hi, no, but I
would guess it is about 10 or 20 or so. Don Juan Pond is the most
famous, I think it has just the right combination of these very
unusual salts (calcium chloride, potassium chloride, calcium sulphate)
to stay unfrozen even at -40 C. Like a lot of things in the Dry
Valleys, people wonder if the same kinds of unfrozen ponds could
exist on Mars.
JENNY_MVMS
<Q>Where is the best place to see
penguins in Anarctica? I think they are very important in the world.
When they die down we now tyhe world has gone to far into global
warming.
Tom_Wagner
<A>Depends on what
kind of penguin! But there are penguins all around Antarctica,
and even some in South America, Africa, and New Zealand.
Katherine_From_Millinocket
<Q>What
makes blue ice blue?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>That
etherial blue color is a combination of light being absorbed and
not scattered. Red light gets absorbed by ice more than blue. If
there aren't very many bubbles in the ice, the light doesn't scatter
(which makes the ice appear white) much and the longer the distance
the light travels without scattering, the more blue it appears
Brandon_Millinocket_Maine
<Q>How do
you know that there is fricton under the ice if it is frozen?
Ginny_Catania
<A>There is friction at the base of the ice
sheet because the material underneath is rough. If the ice is frozen
to the bed, it will not experience this bed roughness, but the
ice will deform (and thus flow) under its own weight. If the ice
is not frozen to its bed and there is water at the base of the
ice sheet, this reduces the friction from the bed and the ice can
flow faster (by sliding).
Joe_CaidenMVMS_Iowa
<Q>Mr. Wagner,
could Joe's ice feature, the triangular feature, be a rock avalanche?
Tom_Wagner
<A>That's a great idea, but I'm not sure and
it's difficult to to tell from that image. I would pull back and
look at the surrounding area.
Amanda_Millinocket
<Q>When you
guys are doing your reserches with NASA do you ever have a difficult
time trying to figure out different things that you are doing and
also do you do alot of reserch with Nasa?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Good scientists never have a problem coming up
with questions that need answers. The trick is to ask "good" qustions.
A good question is one that can be answered. Then with lots of
good questions, you have to decide which one to start with!
Joe_CaidenMVMS_Iowa
<Q>are
there any ice features that have completely melted away?
Ted_Scambos
<A>Oh yeah, especially
in the northern tip of the Antarctic Peninsula. There are large
regions that were once covered by glaciers, or large areas of the
ocean that used to be covered by thick plates of ice (~700 feet
thick, 20 miles across, 30 miles long) that are gone. But the key
was that it didn't take melting all the way to nothing -- what
we learned was that a little water on a glacier or an iceberg or
ice shelf can have a big effect, by making it flow faster (glaciers)
or break easier (ice shelves).
.
Kristen_Millinocket
<Q>Why would
some places be better for finding fossils than others?
Tom_Wagner
<A>Well, fossils are
mostly found in sedimentary rocks--that is rocks that were originally
dirt. So, if you want fossils, you don't go looking at igneous
rocks like basalt and granite and there is quite a bit of that
in Antarctica.
Joe_CaidenMVMS_Iowa
<Q>are there
any ice features that have completely melted away?
Ted_Scambos
<A>Also in Alaska,
there are some very large glaciers that have shrunk away to almost
nothing
Amanda_Millinocket
<Q>Is there life in Antartica?
Tom_Wagner
<A>Well, there are people! And
there are bacteria. And nematodes. And penguins. And fish. And algae. And fungi.
And even an insect. But it's a good question, because life there
is very simple, so we study it to see how life might have started.
rehanna_mvms_iowa
<Q>how do you think
artemis ridge was created?
Ted_Scambos
<A>I don't have
the picture in front of me, so you tell me which of these ideas
is the most plausible, given how it looks and how the systems
of the earth work:
Good_Shepherd_Day_School_Punta_G
<Q>We
were intrigued because we want to help scientists find good and
interesting places to study if global warming is affecting Anrtarctica.
Stephanie__Millinocket
<Q>What
would cause global warming in Antarctica, even though Antarctica
is very cold?
Ginny_Catania
<A>Antarctica can
be affected by global warming just like any other place on the
planet. The oceans will warm more quickly than the ice and where
oceans touch the ice, the warm ocean can melt the ice. This may
be why many of the ice shelves in the Peninsula have broken off.
Also, if the atmosphere in Antarctica starts to warm, it may snow
more (warmer temperatures promote precipitation) and the ice sheet
may grow slightly.
Katherine_From_Millinocket
<Q>Were the
volcanos in Antarctica ever active?
Tom_Wagner
<A>yes, and they still
are! Check out the MEVO web page.
Cameron_Millinocket
<Q>What
types of fish live in Antarctica? If there are, ten how could they
survive?
Robert_Bindschadler <A>If
I were a comedian, I'd answer COLD fish swim in Antarctica. Serious
scientists have been studying characteristics of Antarctic cod
(one type of fish) for many years. Their blood contains antifreeze!
How cool is that!
JENNY_MVMS
<Q>We have heard of fish with
antifreeze have you ever seen them? Do they look like other fish?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Antarctic
fish look very much like fish elsewhere. The differences that let
them swim in water colder than 0 degrees is all internal.
emma_mvms_IA
<Q>Is
lake hoare salt water or fresh water?
Ginny_Catania
<A>You can probably find this answer online
also. Lake Hoare is a well-studied lake that is part of the McMurdo
Long-term-ecological-research program (LTER). I think Lake Hoare
gets its water from a nearby glacier though...so what do you think?
Will it be fresher or saltier if it gets water from a glacier?
JENNY_MVMS
<Q>Does
some of the salt in Don Juan Pond come from the rocks in it?
Tom_Wagner
<A>I wish I knew the
answer to this question. It's such a strange salt, we don't really
know where it comes from or why this pond is so different from
the other ponds around it. Maybe you can study it one day!
rehanna_mvms_iowa
<Q>how
do you think artemis ridge was created?
Ted_Scambos
<A>Water erosion
from a huge flash flood from under the ice (this apparently has
happened on Mars before); Ice erosion of layers of bedrock from
a time when the ice sheet spread over the area; and now the ice
is smaller, so we can see it; or was it billions of years of wind
erosion carving out valleys in the rock?; or normal water erosion,
over thousands of years, just like the process that forms the canyons
and mesas in the Southwest, like the Grand Canyon.
Joe_CaidenMVMS_Iowa
<Q>Do
you know how many people visit Lake Vida each year?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Gosh, I'm stumped. I expect
there are years that no one visits Lake Vida. That's another reason
LIMA imagery and other satellite data are so valuable. They are
our "eyes' when we can't be
there. I'll forward this message to Tom, who may know the direct
answer.
austin__millinocket
<Q>what is an ice chimmny?
Ginny_Catania
<A>I think an ice chimney occurs
where you have warm gases escaping from a volcanic environment, but that
volcano is overlain with ice. As the gases escape they melt a pipe
(or chimney) into the overlying ice. You can google 'ice chimney
Erebus' to see images of these from Mt. Erebus in Antarctica.
Joe_CaidenMVMS_Iowa
<Q>Do
you know how many people visit Lake Vida each year?
Tom_Wagner <A>Not
so many--maybe just a few or none depending on the year.
Amanda_Millinocket
<Q>In
Antarctica does a lot of ice melt in a week or even a day?
Ginny_Catania
<A>This is difficult
to answer because we don't have data that can give us daily or
weekly measurements. But our overall trends show that some regions
of Antarctica are showing significant melt over several years to
decades.
Lucas_Millinocket
<Q>Is there a certain amount of
glacier moutain or volcano's in Antartica.
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Well,
there is a certain amount, but I don't know how much. I don't beleive
anyone does. Most of the mountains/volcanoes are buried beneath
the ice. More are being discovered and LIMA imagery is one way
of seeing clues to lead us to buried mysteries.
rehanna_mvms_iowa <Q>Got to go-
Thanks
emma_mvms_IA <Q>Time for us to
go- thanks
Quest_Moderator <A>Thanks
for joining us today!
JENNY_MVMS <Q>time to go- thanks
alainamvms_IA <Q>have to go- thank you very
much
austin_millinocket
<Q>what
area would be good to find fossils in antarctica?
Tom_Wagner
<A>Mt Kirkpatrick
is where the older dinosaurs were found (Cryolophosaurus), and
the islands off the peninsula opposite south america are where
many more recent fossils were found, especially from the KP extinction
that wiped out the dinosaurs. There are birds, plesiosaurs and
other things there.}
Quest_Moderator We're
running out of questions. Do you have more? ESPECIALLY having to
do with your proposals! This is your chance to fine tune!
Amanda_Millinocket
<Q>Is
working with nasa hard. I mean, is working with Antarctica hard?
Tom_Wagner
<A>It can be hard,
but it's fun! If it was easy, it'd be boring. How long does anyone
play an easy video game?
tyler_millinocket
<Q>Does melting
water act as a lubricant for the glacier or slow it down.
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>A wonderful
question aimed at ice flow, which is key in how ice sheets will
change sea level as the world warms. Water is a lubricant, so on
the face of it, water that gets between the ice and rock will allow
the ice to move faster. However, just to show that many things
can cut both ways, if the water flowing beneath the ice starts
to form a network of channels, those channels can start to suck
more wter to them actually drying out most of the bed and the glacier
slows down!
travisa_shenandaoh.k12.ia.us
<Q>why are the ice
caps melting in the Arctic but water is freezing in the Antarctic?
is this a form uniformitarianism or is global warming causing something
new or accelerating it?
Ted_Scambos
<A>Tough question,
but lets untangle it a bit. Because the seasons are opposite for
the opposite poles (summer in the north is winter in the south)
you get freezing in Antarctica every August, just when the Arctic
is shrinking fast. But I think you mean longer-term -- and I think
you are also talking about sea ice, the thin ice floating on the
ocean. The Arctic is warming fast, and with that little bit of
warming, especially in summer, the Arctic is going from just a
little below freezing to just a little above freezing -- and that
has this big effect, of burning off all the ice and creating a
lot of follow-on changes as the ocean gets darker (no ice cover)
and the air warms up. In Antarctica, things are not yet warming
as much -- and the temperature is WAY below freezing over much
of the sea ice, so a little bit of warming does not push the ice
into the melting state.
Millinocket2013
<Q>does
Lima do more than just science things? or does it do more?
Robert_Bindschadler <A>My favorite
question so far!! One of the best things LIMA does is show everybody
what Antarctica truely looks like. This is natural color and we
never had a high-definition view of the continent to share with
most of the people in the world. Most people will NEVER have the
opportunity to go to ANtarctica, so LIMA brings Antarctica to THEM--right
to their desktop!
travisa_shenandaoh.k12.ia.us
<Q>what
type of insect lives in Antarctica?
Ted_Scambos
<A>In the very warmest
parts of Antarctica, in summer, there are two kinds of bugs that
I know about that form little clouds over melt ponds: they are
called 'midges' and 'springtails' I think. But I'm an ice guy,
I don''t know if there are any biologists in on this chat. You
can look up 'Antarctica's largest land animal' on the web, and
I think it will say 'midges', this tiny insect.
travisa_shenandaoh.k12.ia.us <Q>thank
you for your time, school's out. we appreciate the answers you
gave us, the TAG team from Shenandoah IA.
Quest_Moderator <A>We're
so glad you could join us live!!
erycah_taylor_academy_ca
<Q>Have
you been able to find any life forms in the ice caves or crevasses
of Antarctica?
Tom_Wagner
<A>yes, there are
bacteria just about everywhere. It's gets blown in.
JP_CheektowagaCentralMS_NY
<Q>Question
from the whole group, we read that there has been a meteor impact
site found, is there a group or a person to contact that we could
ask question about what to look for at our chosen site?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Neat, huh! My understnding is that the meteor struck
250 million years ago--long before the ice sheet was there. Roughly
the area it landed is in "Wilkes Land" which is a big
part of East ANtarctica. Dr. Ralph von Frese made the discovery
by looking at the gravity field from space. Meteors are heavy and
the leftover heavy rocks were detected. I don't think there is
any visual signature of the crater left to be seen.
Dylan_millinocket
<Q>How
many airports are built in Antarctica?
Ted_Scambos
<A>Well it depends
on what you mean by airport (is Millinocket getting a big airport
upgrade?). In terms of 'landing sites' I suppose there are about
75 of those every year, maybe more -- but the planes that most
people use in Antarctica only need a few hundred yards of smooth
snow to do a landing. If you mean a runway that a wheeled aircraft
can roll to a stop, or take-off from, lets see... McMurdo, Patriot
Hills, Dumont Durville, Rothera, Novolazarevskya, Troll, SANAE,
.... ok maybe a dozen. The aircraft that go most often are: Twin
Otter, C-130 Herculese, Ilushyin 76, Dornier, a modified DC-3 called
a 'Bassler'...and a huge military cargo plane called a C-17 --
that's what I think I'll be on tomorrow when we go to McMurdo
Leah_Millinocket
<Q>Will
the ice eventually flow away from Antarctica and the world will
basically flood? ::smile
Ted_Scambos
<A>Will people all
over the world start to manage the Earth, take care of it, and
make sure that this will never happen? -- I think so. Smile.
John and Caiden/MVMS/
<Q> You
talked to us about Lake Vanda but we were looking at Lake Vida
so is there a river flowing into Lake Vida?
Ginny_Catania
<A>I am an ice
person so I don't know much about the lakes in the Dry Valleys.
I would have a look around the web. There are lots of biologists
and hydrologists that study these lakes and they may have lots
of info. about Lake Vida posted online. However, you may be able
to see if there is a river flowing into it using LIMA or other
imagery.
Joe/MVMS
<Q>Could my triangular
object be the remnant of an avalanche triggered by an earthquake?
When was the last known earthquake in Antarctica?
Tom_Wagner
<A>Wow, that's a good
question. Antarctica has small earthquakes all of the time. But
it doesn't have the large earthquakes that might trigger a rock
slide.
shyla_millinocket
<Q>Why do glacier only form by the
ocean?
Ted_Scambos
<A>Oh, they form
all over the place - in the mountains especially; like the Rockies,
or the Alps, or the Himalayas... far from the ocean. But in the
polar regions it's cold enough that they can flow all the way down
to the sea -- and if the water is very cold (almost never above
freezing) they can even flow out over the ocean and form large
floating plates that last for centuries.
Scearce_MVMS_IA
<Q>Brandt/MVMS/
Is there a website or a way I can look at satellite imagery that
would show below the surface of the ice? John and Caiden/MVMS/
You talked to us about Lake Vanda but we were looking at Lake Vida
so is there a river flowing into Lake Vida? Also, what part of
the year is the kite stream frozen and when is it not? Would that
show up on the LIMA or would we need to do a field study? Joe/MVMS
Could my triangular object be the remnant of an avalanche triggered
by an earthquake? When was the last known earthquake in Antarctica?
Rehanna and Nicole/MVMS For Ted-You talk of a crust of lichen and
fungi that lives on the soil surface by Artemis ridge- do you happen
to know the scientific name of the lichen and fungi? Jenny and
Delaney/MVMS For Bob- Is it possible that the ocean used to cover
the land around DJP (similar to the Great Salt Lake) and the concentration
of salt is from having evaporated over millions of years? Or could
the salt be coming from the rocks or bacteria in the are
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Wow, lots
of questions! I'll try to pick out mine. For a website to show
subsurface data of Antarctica, try BEDMAP (google on this). It
is a collection of data of ice thickness and bed elevation beneath
the ice. You'll see that lots of the ice sheet sits on a bed BELOW
sea level!
<A>Next Q for me: DId the
ocean drown DJP--gosh, I don't know, but it's a great idea. If
so, it would have been millions of years ago, so that water would
have enough time to evaporate. But I'm no expert on that and I
encourage you to pursue this hypothesis a bit farther! If I've
missed other questions to me, please resubmit them.
Joe/MVMS <Q>Could my triangular
object be the remnant of an avalanche triggered by an earthquake?
When was the last known earthquake in Antarctica?
Tom_Wagner
<A>You might be interested
to read about "rock glaciers" in
the McMurdo Dry Valleys.
Cameron_Millinocket
<Q>Can there
be any animal life on Antarctica?
Tom_Wagner
<A>There is! People!
And one tiny insect. And there are penguins and seals on the coast.
But nothing besides bacteria in the interior.
Quest_Moderator So! Does this mean
we're all ready for posting our final designs! I still see lots
of folks in the chat room. Do you have any more questions? Last
chance!
Jared_Millinocket
<Q>What would
be the weight of all the ice on Antarctica if you could weigh
it?
Ginny_Catania
<A>That's a great
question! It sure would be hard to actually do this. I think you
could probably work out the answer on your own. The things you
need to know are: 1. how much ice is in Antarctica: 25x10^6 cubic
kilometers and 2. the density of ice is 910 kg/m^3.
Rehanna and Nicole/MVMS<Q> For Ted-You talk
of a crust of lichen and fungi that lives on the soil surface
by Artemis ridge- do you happen to know the scientific name of
the lichen and fungi?
Ted_Scambos <A>(Help,
Tom!) -- I should have searched for this term myself, I knew
it a while back. Try searching the web with the terms 'Canada
Glacier', 'lichen', 'fungi', 'protected area', 'Dry Valleys',
and 'soil'.
JP_CheektowagaCentralMS_NY
<Q>When we write
our final proposal, how much detail do you want? Do you want
things like field trips, proposed activities and labs activities
we can create based on our proposal? Is there a final outline
format?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>No format.
What I've found missing is some description of what would be measured.
I like the questions that were suggested, but only a few proposals
mentioned specific measurements and how those measurements would
help answer the questions. Don't just say that your data would
answer the Q, say how. (Some of my colleagues STILL don't do this--sshhh,
don't tell them!)
John and Caiden/MVMS/<Q>Also, what
part of the year is the kite stream frozen and when is it not?
Would that show up on the LIMA or would we need to do a field
study?
Tom_Wagner <A>It might--it depends
on when the image you were looking at were taken. But more importantly,
can you see the feeder streams? Can you trace them back to their
source? Even when they don't have water, you can still see their
shape.
pgardner
<Q>If Mt. Takahe is
still active would the lava be any colder than any other volcano's
lava?
Tom_Wagner
<A>Depends on the
volcano--it might be warmer in places, just like Kilauea in Hawaii
is cold is some spots and too hot to touch in others.
Cameron_Millinocket
<Q>Could
the world flood if Antarctica melted?
Ginny_Catania
<A>Another good
question that you can probably answer yourself! If you look at
how much ice is in Antarctica (25x10^6 cubic kilometers) and if
you were to melt it and spread it out over the ocean-covered parts
of the globe, how high would oceans rise? I'll give you a hint:
Not exactly Waterworld!
Quest_Moderator
Jenny and Delaney/MVMS
<Q>For
Bob- Is it possible that the ocean used to cover the land around
DJP (similar to the Great Salt Lake) and the concentration of
salt is from having evaporated over millions of years? Or could
the salt be coming from the rocks or bacteria in the are
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>I already
answered this, but I've got more to suggest. FIgure out how much
salt would be left if the lake had filled with sea water. If the
lake then refilled with fresh water, wouldn't the salinity go back
to that of seawater? We know DJP is very, very salty. So how many
times would you have to fill it with sea water and then evaporate
off the water, to get as much salt as is in the lake now? That
would be a neat calculation.
Jared_Millinocket
<Q>I've heard
that the Earth isn't perfectly round, and that is from the weight
on Antarctica, is that true?
Ted_Scambos <A>No, well, not
quite like that, this is jumbling a couple of different things
together. The weight of the ice does push the continents out of
shape, shoving them down in the middle and up at the edges (like
a, um, butt sitting on a couch pillow). But the main reason the
Earth is not perfectly round is because it is spinning, and so
the Equator bulges out a bit from centrifugal forces due to the
spinning. That deviation is about ...I think about 20-30 miles
(30-45 km) or so. That's much bigger than the 'couch pillow' effect,
which is about 500 meters, 1km that range.
Brandt/MVMS/
<Q>Is there a website
or a way I can look at satellite imagery that would show below
the surface of the ice?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Try BEDMAP.
It shows the bed elevation beneath Antarctica. http://www.antarctica.ac.uk//bas_research/data/access/bedmap
erycah_taylor_academy_ca
<Q>When
did Mt. Erebus last erupt?
Tom_Wagner
<A>Check this out:
http://erebus.nmt.edu/blog/
Good_Shepherd_Day_School_Punta_G
<Q>The
swirling patterns that we talked about in our proposal are they
on our off land because we can`t tell if it`s ice land or water.
We think it`s a mixture of ice and water.
Ted_Scambos
<A>This
is the project about Peter I island, right? yes the swilrling pattern
are offshore, in the ocean near the coast, and are forme by tidal
currents or swirling winds caused by flowing around the cliffs
and underwater shoals of the island. Yes, its small pieces of ice
swirling very slowly on the ocean surface.
rehanna_mvms_iowa
<Q>have
many people traveled to artemis ridge?
Ted_Scambos
<A>I don't know --
maybe 20? maybe 40? It has been mapped by geologist more than once
over the years. Who named it? they probably were the first visitors.
rehanna_mvms_iowa
<Q>have many
people traveled to artemis ridge?
Ted_Scambos
<A>I should say,
the Dry Valleys in general have been mapped and visited many times
- I don't know about Artemis Ridge specifically.
JP_CheektowagaCentralMS_NY
<Q>OK,
we were thinking that there are meteor impact sites that are hidden
in the mountains. It is hard to get the students to realize just
how thick the ice is!
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>There
were big meteor impacts millions of years ago. They are buried
by the ice sheet that formed later, but the heavy rocks alter the
gravity field and this is how the old impact are detected. Smaller
meteorites fall on the ice more recently and are carried by the
ice to places where they are revealed as the ice slowly evaporates.
It can be tough to get people to realize how thick the ice is (have
them walk 4 kilometers!) but I also find it tough to get people
to realize how BIG Antarctica is. Larger than the US (including
Alaska). Calculate how many kids would have to stand on top of
each other to cover 4 km.
Quest_Moderator I know for many the bell
has rung and you've gone on to other classes. When the scientists
have finished answering the questions they've received, we'll
wrap up the chat.
Quest_Moderator The whole chat will be archived
at this same place. Thank your for joining us!
erycah_taylor_academy_ca
<Q>Thank
you very much. This chat was very informative, and taught me
a lot about Antarctica.
Quest_Moderator
<A>Thanks for joining us. Looking forward
to your final proposal!
pgardner
<Q>If Mt. Takahe erupts
what percentage of Western Antarctica would be affected by melting?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>It depends on how extensive the eruption. For an "average" eruption,
most of the ice sheet would not be affected, but the local ice
would be severly affected. I'll use Mt. St. Helens as an example.
The blast zone was just a few miles wide, with the ash cloud extending
a hundred miles. West Antarctica is more than 1000 miles across.
Amanda_Millinocket
<Q>is
there stores and stuff in antartica?
Ted_Scambos
<A>Well, no, if you
want shopping malls, don't come to Antarctica! but there are a
few souvenier shops at some of the larger bases. No WalMarts yet.I'm
going to breakfast now (its 8am in Christchurch New Zealand) -
so goodbye, it was a lot of fun.
Quest_Moderator
Thanks for joining us Ted,
and thanks for your inciteful answers despite jet lag!!
JP_CheektowagaCentralMS_NY
<Q>Is
the Ohio Range part of two different plates that have combined?
If so are there volcanoes along the trans antarctic range?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Oooo,
some budding geologists here! No volcanoes along the Transantarctic
Mtns. Go to West Antarctica for volcanoes! I'm not sure of the
origin of the Ohio Range, but they look to be an extension of the
Transantarctic Mtns. I'll forward this to Tom--he's the geologist.
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Oops,
Tom is gone. Sorry.
alainamvms_IA
<Q>How much water
drips off the glacier into Maria Creek in an average day?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Great
question. Great because I don't know the answer. A centimeter of
melt is a pretty warm day near Maria Creek.
Ginny_Catania <Q>Bye
everyone! Good chatting with all of you!
Scearce_MVMS_IA
<Q>Thanks so
much for the webchat- I know that my students really enjoyed being
able to ask real Antarctic scientists questions and were thrilled
that you responded. The answers will help us make improvements
on our proposals. Thanks!
thunderbolt47
<Q>How big was the Swift Glacier?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Was? is it gone? If it were me, I'd
use Google Earth, find the glacier (using LIMA as a guide so I
knew I was looking at the right spot) and then use the Google tools
to draw a polygon around the glacier and see what the area is.
Good_Shepherd_Day_School_Punta_G
<Q>How
do scientists find out if the water around Antarctica is warming
and where can we get this data?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>There is a data set of "sea surface" temperature" that
shows the surface waters are getting sightly warmer. i'm not sure
of the specfic source, but I saw somw science paper a while ago.
If it were me, I'd use Google Scholar to search the literature.
Good_Shepherd_Day_School_Punta_G
<Q>How
do we find out if there are any subglacial lakes under the glacier
we're studying?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>Very few
lakes hae been found under glaciers. Not to say they aren't there,
but it's still hard to detect them. Two ways these lakes are found
is to measure a change in the ice surface elevation if water moves
either into or out of the lakes, or to use an ice penetrating radar
to look for a strong radar reflection that indicates water under
the ice. You don't have an ice penetrating radar, do you?
travisa_shenandaoh.k12.ia.us
<Q>shenandoah
middle school: if lava from a volcano touches snow could it cause
a steam explosion possibly causing an ice berg to calve?
Robert_Bindschadler
<A>A nice
connection of ideas! I've heard that lava hitting water can cause
an explosion. In snow, it might be similar, but it seems like it
would be hard to keep the snow next to the lava. it probably would
melt a very deep channel, very very quickly. As for the calving,
such a rapidly cutting lava stream could cut an iceberg off from
the ic esheet.
Amanda__Millinocket <Q>I wanted
to work with Nasa and Antarctica is is hard to learn about it and
is it hard to do?
Robert_Bindschadler <A>Learn
your science and math. NASA has a bright future, exploration is
fun, both on theis planet and beyond. And, of course, Antarctica
is great fun. No, it's not hard to learn, just enjoy learning.
Quest_Moderator
Great question to end with. Thanks for joining us and we look forward
to your Final Proposals. They will be posted online as quickly
as we can after receiving them! Bye for now!