Erica: Well, Hello! Welcome to the Johnson Space Center
this is the last and final part of our series celebrating National Engineers'
Week and we're so excited to have you with us today. You know, not only
are we celebrating National Engineers' Week, but we are also celebrating
the beginning of National Women's History month. So today, we have a special
broadcast for you. We're going to talk a look at one of our women of NASA
to celebrate National Women's History Month and bring in an engineer to
talk to you about what it's like being an engineer and working for NASA
all at the same time.
Before we get started though, I want to show you just
how wonderful it is here at the Johnson Space Center.
Video clip of aerial view of Johnson Space Center
with Gulf of Mexico on the horizon
Erica Gillary speaking on screen
We are located on the Gulf of Mexico, it's an absolutely
beautiful facility. We're a large campus that employs about 22,000 individuals
out here in Houston, TX, and it's just one of ten NASA centers located
around the country. But our center, we consider to be a little bit special
because here is where we train the astronauts to get ready to live and
work in space.
Erica and Elizabeth Bloomer on screen
As a matter of fact, one of our special guests today
is Elizabeth Bloomer, and Elizabeth just happens to be an engineer that
helps train the astronauts and other individuals to be able to work in
particular areas, for example, Mission Control, and to help the astronauts
get ready to live and work in space and work in particular areas, for
example, the robotic arm area and things like that. So Elizabeth, welcome
to our program.
Elizabeth: Thank you!
Erica: Absolutely. As a matter of fact, I guess to
get the program started, we have a question for you. We're wondering students,
if you know exactly what does an engineer do? I don't know, Elizabeth
has an answer for you, but our students at Jack Gates Communications Magnet
School here in Houston went to the streets to find out what you had to
say about that.
Student shown on screen
Student: I can't really in general what they do, but,
you know the specific to what they want to work on, but it's a good question,
I've never thought of it as what does an engineer do?
Second student shown on screen
Student: It all depends on what kind of engineer.
They survey, they design the buildings, blue prints, I don't know.
Third student shown on screen
Student: Whatever it is that needs to be designed
whether it be a bridge or a roadway or a house or a building or whatever
structure; they need to be involved in that process.
Close up of Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Well that was some interesting answers. Welcome
to todays program. My name is Erika Gillary, and for all of you
getting ready to start working with us today, we want to remind you that
we are accepting all of your questions throughout the webcast today at
questteam@hotmail.com. So be sure to start sending your questions, and
Elizabeth Bloomer, who's our special guest today, will be answering your
questions shortly. Well, Elizabeth what did you think about those answers?
Erica and Elizabeth shown on screen
Elizabeth: We certainly had a wide variety of answers.
Erica: Absolutely. So, what does an engineer do, as
a matter of fact? I think you probably have a better answer than some
of the people out there.
Elizabeth: Well let's actually talk about that for
just a couple minutes because as so many people say, they hear: What is
an engineer? And they don't really know. Even if someone says, "I'm an
engineer," it doesn't tell them what they do. So let's take a few
minutes to talk about that.
Close up of Elizabeth speaking on screen
So what exactly is an engineer?
Slide: Who are Engineers?
And the other question that we both actually first
answered. Who are engineers?
Most engineers, to be honest, like math and science.
And they can be from anywhere. You can be an engineer in a big city, a
small town, and you can be, you can do it in any country around the world.
Anybody can be an engineer; it doesn't matter if you're a boy or a girl
or a what your nationality is.
Back to Elizabeth speaking on screen
The next question is as many of you have asked already
is what do engineers do?
Slide: What does an Engineer Do?
So we know who engineers are, but what do they do?
They do a phenomenal amount of different things. They can design our roads
and the buildings we live in. They can test airplanes and cars. They can
research new materials and build better computer and engineers and even
teach other engineers. Those are just a few things that engineers do.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
And the next question that many of you may have is:
How do you become an engineer?
Slide: How do you become an engineer?
Well to be an engineer you actually need to go to
college for about four years, and while you're at college you can study
a specific kind of engineering, whether you like planes and ships, spaceships,
or if you like working, if you like designing roads and the buildings
we live in. There's also mechanical engineers who do a wide variety of
things. Chemical engineers work in plants, work in plants and they can
work with oil and gas. So they can work for many, many different companies.
Bio-medical, if you like medical field, also petroleum engineers.
Back to Elizabeth on screen
Those are just a few kinds of the engineers that you
can be. It's a wide variety of interests, whatever you like, you can do
as an engineer.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: That's actually interesting too that you said
that because I bet that a lot of the students that are watching, they
think about engineers. Ok, what does an engineer do? So they went out
to the streets and found out. But now they've found out that there's all
sorts of types of engineers and different types of jobs that they do.
And I guess, what I was wondering is, tell us a little bit more about
how you got to NASA and how you got into training the astronauts. That's
a very interesting job.
Close up of Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Well actually I started working for NASA
when I was still in college. And I worked for NASA for a little while
and then I would go to school for a little while, and so I was training
astronauts even before I graduated from college.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: Well I tell you what, Elizabeth, as a matter
of fact, we've got some really cool things before we come back and take
your questions live with Elizabeth Bloomer. We would like to take a look
at one of the other cool jobs they have here at NASA and that's to be
a flight controller. Now believe it or not, we actually have another Elizabeth,
who you probably know, Elizabeth, and her name is Elizabeth King. Lori
Keith who is our space correspondent with Quest has this package for you.
Video clip of Lori Keith speaking on screen
Lori: Hi, I'm Lori Keith with NASA Quest. I work at
the Johnson Space Center here in Houston, TX. Today I want to share with
you an area of careers for engineering you might not know about, NASA
Flight Controllers. Now we all know the scientists and astronauts are
important in their jobs, but the flight controllers are the backbone of
every mission. It's their job to monitor and maintain what they call health
of the vehicles. Whether that vehicle is the ISS or one of the shuttles
and if a problem arises, it is their job to figure out how to fix it or
how to work around it. Their jobs are crucial to the success of every
NASA space flight mission. And on that note, I would like to introduce
you to...
Video of Elizabeth King speaking on screen
Elizabeth King: Hi. My name is Elizabeth King and
Im a nuclear engineer. I work here at NASA's Johnson Space Center
as a flight controller for the International Space Station. I am a member
of the electrical power assistance team and our call sign is "PHALCO".
PHALCO stands for Power Heating Articulation and Lighting Control Officer.
We are responsible for all power provided to the International Space Station.
It is necessary for all the equipment on the station. Without power, there
would be no lights or heaters. Behind me is a mock-up of a flight control
console. We use this console to train our flight controllers. We enter
in malfunctions so that our flight controllers can recognize things when
they break and learn how to fix them. The simulators help prepare us for
missions. We practice to be perfect, so when a mission occurs, we are
ready. This is only a small part of the many things we do to train as
electrical power systems flight controllers for the International Space
Station.
Back to close up of Erica
Erica: All right. Well, we're here with Elizabeth
Bloomer and we're celebrating National Engineer's Week but also the beginning
of National Women's History Month. So to all the students out there watching,
please be sure to send us your questions in at Questteam@hotmail.com and
Elizabeth Bloomer is here and has a lot of time to be sure to get to all
of your questions.
Erica and Elizabeth shown on screen
Well I know Elizabeth that we talking about how big
a task it is to construct the International Space Station, and I know
that you have a very important job and that's to train the astronauts
in working the robotic arms. So maybe you could share a little bit with
the students about how that is or how that works.
Elizabeth Bloomer speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Oh yeah, Absolutely. Actually, I'd love
to tell you a little bit about some of the different things I've done
as an engineer at NASA. So if we go ahead to the next PowerPoint slide.
Slide: What have I done as an Engineer
Some of the things, I've been as an engineer, not
only have I worked at NASA, but I've also worked at Texas Instruments
for a while, and while I was there I tested some motors, so that's more
of the traditional engineering. At NASA, I've taught astronauts about
the space shuttle and the Space Station. I've worked on some of the software
on some of the NASA airplanes, and I've also, just like Elizabeth King,
I've been a flight controller in the Mission Control center. Right now,
though, I'm teaching astronauts how to use the robotic arm that's on the
Space Station, and I have a short video to actually show you the robotic
arm in action.
Video of robotic arm in action
What you're seeing right now is, this is during flight
7A. This happened about a year ago, the space shuttle had come to the
Space Station and moving approximately 18,000 miles an hour through space
at approximately 250 miles above the Earth, and they're moving this giant
60 foot arm, which is attached to the Space Station, and their going into
the payload bay on the space shuttle to grab some oxygen and nitrogen
tanks that they're going to need to help with some of the space walks
that the astronauts are doing.
So you can see here that the arm is moving very slowly.
They have to be very careful. We're always worried about accidentally
having the arm hit either the space shuttle or the Space Station. You
can see there it's actually dark; we're at night. So when the astronauts
are in orbit, about half of their time is in what we call day and the
other half is in night where it is truly very dark like you see. All the
lights that you do see are either from the shuttle or from the Space Station.
You can see the Space Station arm coming down. As you can see the camera
tilt down a little bit, you can see more of the space shuttle. You can
see the space shuttle is there attached to the Space Station. You can
see a second robotic there as well. The smaller arm is actually the space
shuttle robotic arm, and we had several times where both of those arms
were moving at the same time.
Erica: That's really interesting. I was wondering
about that.
Erica and Elizabeth shown on screen
I wonder how do you, tell the students a little bit,
how do train the astronauts to actually work something like that? Do they
have facilities here at the Johnson Space Center?
Elizabeth: Oh yeah, absolutely. We have a variety
of different training facilities here at the Johnson Space Center. Some
are a little more complex than others, some are a little more basic. Ok,
so. If we could go to the next power point slide:
Slide: Robotic Simulations
As I mentioned, some are very simple, they're almost
like the desktop computers you may have at home, however, some of the
simulators are a bit more complicated. Here you can see a picture of one
of our astronauts and one of our instructors, they're sitting there thinking
about moving the robotic arm. You see on the left-hand side, the gentleman
in the dark shirt, his name is [Mikhail Turin], the is a Russian Cosmonaut
and he just came home in November after living on board the Space Station
for five months. And during that five months he actually did move the
robotic arm while he was living there. This is another one of our training
facilities here at the Johnson Space Center called the Robotic Development
Facility, and this arm here is almost full size and almost 60 feet long
and we actually have the astronauts practice using pieces of hardware
around so they can think about, oh what happens if I actually hit another
piece of the Space Station or the space shuttle with this robotic arm.
Live shot of the robotic arm at the Johnson Space
Center
Erica: There is a live picture it looks like.
Elizabeth: Absolutely. Yeah.
Erica: Like here at the Johnson Space Center, that
exact same arm where you train the astronauts to work.
Slide: Robotics Simulators
Elizabeth: We also have some other simulators that
can be linked together, so the astronauts can pretend that they're on
the Space Station and the flight controllers, like Elizabeth King and
myself, when I was a flight controller, we can watch what the astronauts
are doing and make sure that things are not breaking.
Back to close up of Elizabeth
So we have a lot of training facilities here. It's
really fantastic.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: That's really interesting. You know, I hear
that they're actually doing some training today in our neutral buoyancy
laboratory, and I'm sure that's another way they train, too.
Elizabeth: Oh yeah, absolutely. If we can show them
that:
Live shot of astronaut training underwater
Here you can see, see the robotic arm moving, it's
kind of hard to see, we have a lot of SCUBA divers there. We want to make
sure that every thing is very safe. We don't want our astronauts to get
hurt at all while theyre under 40 feet of water, practicing for
their space walks.
Erica: Absolutely. That is a huge goal. We're just
really lucky here at the Johnson Space Center to have that pool. We're
talking 6.2 million gallons of water to be able to fit those life-size
mock-ups with the Space Station modules. Really cool.
Close up of Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: For each space walk, did you know, the
astronauts practice at least seven times in the swimming pool?
Erica: For the one time they have to do it in space
and get it right.
Elizabeth: Absolutely. Then they also train in many
of the other facilities at the Space Center too, but seven times in the
pool at least.
Close up of Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Well, for all the students, we are actually
getting ready to take your questions. Elizabeth Bloomer is here today
with National Engineers' Week and for National Women's History month,
so we're going to go ahead. We've been getting lots of questions in, so
we're going to get started. The very first question comes from Jade, and,
Elizabeth, Jade wants to know, do you know any of the women astronauts,
I already know the answer to this, so let me get that, do you know any
of the women astronauts, and for example, like Eileen Collins?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Actually, I've been very fortunate, and
when I was a flight controller, the last shuttle mission I worked was
actually the first shuttle mission that Eileen Collins was a commander.
And so, I did get to work with Eileen, and she's a wonderful person and
a wonderful leader for her team and really inspiring to be able to work
with her.
Close up of Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Jim writes in and wants to know: Who was your
biggest role model?
Back to Elizabeth on screen
Elizabeth: Actually I think my mother was my biggest
role model. She told me I could do whatever I wanted, and I believed her,
and I believe that's part of the reason I'm here now.
Back to Erica
Erica: We want to welcome the students from Shannon
Estates Elementary. Fourth grader there, Barry, has a question for you,
Elizabeth, and it is: What does an engineer actually do? So we wanted
to make sure that we said hello to Barry, even though we already answered
that question. We wanted to thank Barry for sending the question in.
So I'm going to go on to the next student. Jerry wants
to know what made you choose engineering for your job, Elizabeth?
Back to Elizabeth
Elizabeth: That's actually kind of a tough question.
However, I knew from when I was eight-years-old that I wanted to work
at NASA, and it wasn't until I saved a lot of babysitting money and I
went to Space Camp. When I was at Space Camp in Huntsville, Alabama, I
decided, I learned about engineering and I decided that's what I wanted
to do.
Close up of Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Well, you know Elizabeth before we move on
with the questions, I have kind of a question off the one that you just
answered, and I want you to talk to students about what exactly is Space
Camp. What do you do there? I bet you kids are like, "Oh, what's
that? Kind of cool."
Close up of Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Actually I really enjoyed Space Camp. It
was about one week where you live in Huntsville and they teach you about
being a Mission Controller, you get to practice being an astronaut. You
can fly the space shuttle, you can SCUBA dive and practice, just like
you saw the astronauts in the swimming pool here practicing for their
space walks. You get to do all of that there. It's a wonderful fun time.
You learn a lot about the Space Station and the space shuttle and about
being engineers or doctors, you know, all the different people who are
important in space.
Back to Erica
Erica: Well thank you, Elizabeth. Richard Lighton
wants to know, what was your favorite subject in school.
Back to Elizabeth
Elizabeth: I do have to admit that I liked, I liked
math, which is good because my mother was a math teacher, but I also had
a lot of fun dancing and things like that. Probably not the answer you
want to hear, but that's the truth.
Erica and Elizabeth shown on screen
Erica: You know it's really interesting, isn't it.
When you talk to people about careers at the Johnson Space Center, even
the NASA centers, they talk about the people that come to work in the
space industry are very well rounded. They probably have a big emphasis
in their career, but they also able to adapt to all types of situation
and able to work with other people. Theyre good communicators, they
do extra-curricular activities when they were in school. They got involved
in organizations and other things like that, so that's kind of an interesting
thing for Elizabeth to say, is to make sure that you get involved in other
things in addition to school stuff.
Erica speaking on screen
We're going to go on with our questions. Well this
comes in from Adam and Adam wants to know, what is it like being a female
in a career filled with almost all men.
Close up of Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Actually I've been a tom boy for a long
time. I love working with a lot of guys, but here at the Johnson Space
Center we're very fortunate and particularly in my job we have, we do
have a lot of girls here as well. Also, I have worked in other places
where I was the only girl. In some of my classes when I was at school,
I was the only girl. But it works out okay; you just end up having a lot
of guy friends.
Erica on screen
Erica: On that note, we have someone that writes in
and probably has read your bio a little bit, kind of finding out about
what you studied. Jim wants to know: What sort of initiatives - or for
our younger students - what kind of steps should be taken to increase
the number of women looking for a career in physics.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: I really think the best thing you can do
is simply tell people they can do whatever they want. And if you think
a girl might be interested in physics, take her to the museum, show her
a little bit about what physics is all about, and have fun with it though,
that's the most important thing.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Well we have a sixth grader, that writes in,
Thomas, hello to you today. And, Thomas, I can tell you've been reading
Elizabeth's bio because we haven't even talked about this part of her
career yet. And Thomas wants to know what is the International Space University.
Close up of Elizabeth
Elizabeth: The International Space University is a
small university that is in Strasbourg, France; you actually get to live
in France for about one year. And they bring people from all over the
world, and we work together on different projects. I'm an engineer, but
there are people who are doctors and lawyers and business men and journalists,
and we learned how to work together and you get a masters degree.
So after you go to your four years of college, you can go on and get this
other degree there at the International Space University.
Erica shown speaking on screen
Erica: Oh Elizabeth, you were talking a little bit
earlier, how you're mother inspired you, and she was the biggest role
model in your life. Jana writes in and wants to know as far as education,
you said you liked math, but when did you first become interested in science?
Elizabeth on screen
Elizabeth: I actually had a very good teacher in my
freshman year at high school. And his name is Mr. Ruckley, and we always
had animals in the room. Well I was playing with the animals while he
was talking about the animals, and that's what kind of got me thinking
about science a little bit more.
Back to Erica on screen
Erica: All right. Well, Sarah, from Idaho, writes
in and wants to know, or actually, this is her statement. So Sarah welcome
to our program. Elizabeth, there aren't as many females in science fields
such as engineering and engineering sciences now] . When you decided to
enter in the field did you feel any pressure that you should enter into
something more stereotypical of a field for a female, like a nurse, teacher,
or secretary?
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Why don't you think that there are more females in
the engineering field? So this is a female that thinks, I think that the
stereotypical part of it kind of moving, we're moving ahead. Women can
do [inaudible]. What was your...How did you feel about that?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: I actually never, I never thought too much
about being one of the only girls in the field of engineering. I had no
problem with it. Like I said, my mother was always a big push, or was
always very important to me, and she actually felt when she was a girl
in high school and even in college that all she could do is be a nurse
or a teacher and so she always encouraged me to do whatever I wanted to
do. So I've never had any problems with that.
Back to Erica
Erica: Jennifer writes in and she's a fourth grader
at Shannon Estates Elementary and she wants to know, do you still want
to be an astronaut?
Back to Elizabeth
Elizabeth: Absolutely. I can't wait.
Close up of Erica
Well, one of the interesting things, too, about being
an astronaut, a lot of people that become astronauts actually work here
for NASA. So getting here to work as an engineer or scientist coming in
gives you a really good chance at becoming an astronaut, Jennifer, so
that's something to think about as you plan your career.
Well Samantha wants to know: Is the robotic arm that
you train with a real one or is it just like a real one?
Elizabeth shown on screen
Elizabeth: The one we use is not the real one. As
you saw on the video, the real one is already up in space. So I was able
to go to Florida before they actually put the real one on the space shuttle
to go to the Space Station, and I got to see it and touch it and that
was a lot of fun, but right now it's not the real one, unfortunately.
Back to Erica
Erica: Evelyn writes in and wants to know, you've
talked about training astronauts, but did you enjoy being a flight controller,
and what was your specific responsibility?
Close up of Elizabeth
Elizabeth: It was a lot of fun to be a flight controller,
you actually get to work in the Mission Control center, and you sit there,
and I remember my first time as a flight controller, sitting, watching
all the information coming from the shuttle. I was in charge of the payloads,
some of the experiments that were on the space shuttle, so I wanted to
make sure that there was no problem with any of them. So I'm watching
and making sure that there's no problem with them, and I'm watching the
countdown for the space shuttle. And they started down: 10 seconds, 9,8...
and on this shuttle flight they actually stopped the shuttle launch two
or three times before they actually launched, two or three different days.
So you would be very excited, and then they'd say, "Oh stop. Something
happened and you have to go home and come back the next day." So
those of you who have seen Groundhog Day, that's what I
felt like.
Close up of Erica reading question
Erica: This is Jeremy, who writes in and wants to
know, who you're three favorite, famous women?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Actually I would say Eileen Collins is
a very good role model, and also going back in history a little bit more,
Eleanor Roosevelt was a fantastic role model, always standing up for women
and someone that we can look up to. And my third famous women, that's
a little harder. I would probably have to say Margaret Thatcher over in
Britain. She's a better role model and the first female prime minister.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: Absolutely. Well for anyone that may just be
logging in, were here with Elizabeth Bloomer, who is one of our
women of NASA. She's an engineer that trains the astronauts on the robotic
arm for constructing the International Space Station, and also she's helped
train some flight controllers and has worked in a flight controllers
position here. So some really cool experiences and some things to share
with you.
Please write in your questions at questteam@hotmail.com.
We're answering them live here today. And thanks for all the great questions
that we've already gotten in.
Now I have a question for you. Working and training
the astronauts, now that we're working with 16 countries total on the
International Space Station, I was wondering, how is it working with different
cultures and just the different work ethics and the different things that
you have to teach? What about language, those types of things?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Well English is the primary language of
the International Space Station, so anyone who goes and learns on the
Space Station needs to know English fairly well. And when they train,
they train probably about two years to live on the Space Station for the
four or five months they live there. All of that training is done in English
when they're here in the United States.
Close up of Erica
Erica: That was an interesting question to be answered.
So you have to know that you have to be able to work with other cultures,
all the students watching today, and be able to adapt readily. We have
16 countries we're working with so...
Debra writes in, she's a seventh grader and Debra
asks Elizabeth, is mechanical engineering hard, what exactly is mechanical
engineering?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Well I certainly thought it was hard when
I was in school, but I worked. I worked very, very hard, and I did finish
getting my mechanical engineering degree. Mechanical engineering, that's
actually a challenging question because mechanical engineers can do anything.
We can work, you learn how to design motors, you learn how to do a lot
of different things. It's probably one of the more general engineering
degrees that you can get.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: I've got a question for you.
Erica is showing a piece of equipment on screen
I'm pulling this out on Elizabeth, she doesn't know
that I reached back here and pulled this out. So I was just wondering,
would a mechanical engineer create something like this?
Close up of Elizabeth demonstrating the piece of equipment
Elizabeth: Absolutely. What you see here, this is
actually a place where the astronauts when they're floating on the Space
Station or on the space shuttle, they can go here and put their feet in
so that way they don't float away. And, yes, it does take a lot of engineering
to design this. An engineer would have to sit here and design, well, how
big should this knob be? How long should this bolt be that's in here?
How big should this overall plate be? What should it made out of? And
mechanical engineers have to think about all of these. Then after they
design it on paper or on a computer, they have to go and follow it through
the process when it's actually built and then test it to make sure that
it's not going to break when the astronauts use it.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: That's interesting. Working as an engineer
probably for NASA and working with the astronauts, you probably also have
to work with a lot of people that deal with human factors and the things
that human's need to live and maintain in space. Is that true? Is that,
people that you work really close with, scientists, too, and engineers?
Elizabeth: Sometimes.
Erica: We're going to go ahead and continue with our
questions that all of you guys are sending in.
Erica speaking on screen
So the next question that we have is from Monica.
And Monica is also is in the seventh grade. And she wants to know: What
kind of classes should she take in high school if she's interested in
working toward an engineering degree in college?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Make sure, Monica, that you take math and
science classes. If you can, take four years of math and at least three
years of science while you're in high school.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Terry writes in and after we finished talking
Terry, I know that you went to the International Space University, but
she wants to know what is your Master's degree in.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: My Master's degree is in something called
space studies, kind of like getting an extra degree in both business and
engineering. We learned a lot about a lot of different things.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Well one of the things that we want to share
with everyone watching today is that if you have some additional questions
about some of the things that are happening, for example, we have a space
shuttle that launched this morning. Space Shuttle Columbia is already
on orbit and on its way to the Hubble Space Telescope to do some re-servicing
of that telescope. So if you have any interest like that or to find out
about the engineers that work here, the astronauts and their biographies
or when the International Space Station will be in your backyard, you
can log on to spaceflight.NASA.gov and find out all that cool information
and actually find out when the next shuttle mission is going to be. Just
about anything, you can find out from this Web site. So we encourage you
to do that.
We're going to go ahead and continue with your questions.
Thanks for all the great questions; Elizabeth is here to answer them live
for you. Frank writes in, Elizabeth, and wants to know: Are all the arms
you are training the astronauts to use already on the International Space
Station?
Close up of Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Well, all the arms we're currently training
the astronauts on are on the Space Station. We just have one on the Space
Station and then we have one on the space shuttle right now. However,
we have three more robotic arms that we hope to have on the Space Station
someday. And we will train those probably in the next couple years.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: Now someone told me one time, Elizabeth, that
there is a difference between the shuttle arm and the Space Station arm.
What's the big difference?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: The big difference between, although there's
several differences between the space shuttle and the Space Station arm,
one is the Space Station arm is physically longer, it's bigger than the
space shuttle arm. Also, one of the neat things about the Space Station
arm is it was designed so it can Slinky on the outside of the Space Station,
almost crawl on its own.
Video of Space Station arm on outside of Space Station
And here we can see the Space Station arm moving.
It was on one place on the Space Station, and you can see it grab another
place and how it's moving. The Space Station robotic arm also has its
own, almost like a little railroad car, that rides on some of the railroad
tracks on the outside of the Space Station.
Back to Elizabeth
So the Space Station arm is really a versatile arm
and very interesting to work with.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Ok. Well Shawn writes in and wants to know:
Do you know how many robotic arms will be on the International Space Station
when it's completed?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Its going to have a total of five
robotic arms on board the Space Station when it's completed, two from
Canada, two from Japan, and hopefully from here.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Well I have a question kind of for that, and
this is just for me, Erica. I'm always thinking of these things, but I
was wondering, Elizabeth, as far as the different robotic arms from the
different countries, are each of the arms going to be different, used
for different things? Because I just found out, I didn't know until you
just said that. I thought maybe it was going to be the arm we have from
Canada that we're using right now to help construct the Station. But I
didn't realize the other arms are going to be used as well.
Back to Elizabeth
Elizabeth: Actually each of the arms are going to
be built for different purposes. The Japanese, as I mentioned, are going
to have two arms on the robotic space station
Picture of interior of Space Station
and their robotic arms are only going to be used on
what's called the exposed facility, which is kind of like a back porch
for the Japanese portion of the Space Station. The European arm is going
to be used only on the Russian portion of the Space Station.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
And the Canadian arm that we have on the Space Station
right now is only used on the United States portion of the Space
Station.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Well Cicely Hughes, a fifth grader, writes
in and wants to know, do you have to travel a lot for your job?
Back to Elizabeth
Elizabeth: I do get to travel some. I've been to Japan
a few times, to actually their robotic arm. I've gone to Canada several
times. The Canadians do a wonderful job of teaching us about their robotic
arm so that we in turn can help train the astronauts, and of course getting
to go down to Florida to the Kennedy Space Center.
Close up of Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Well we're getting a lot of questions in, and
a lot of them are in reference to National Women's History or being a
female in your career. So we have another one, you kind of answered to
this earlier, but this is a little bit different. This is from Joanna,
thank you for your question, Joanna, from [Decora] High School, and she
wants to know: How has working in a male dominated career affected your
personal life?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: I think you just... That's actually a pretty
good question. I personally haven't had any trouble working in a male-dominated
world. I have had some girlfriends who've had troubles where maybe their
supervisors weren't as supportive of them because they're women, but that
is getting less and less, and when that has become a problem they've been
able to go and get help. So more and more people are very supportive women
as engineers these days. So it's a good thing.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: Do you have any suggestions for maybe younger
men watching that are hearing some of these questions that some of the
older students are asking, some of the younger ones, they wonder well
I'm not sure now. You have any suggestions just to help them through that
or help them to focus on getting their careers and not making that such
an issue?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: If you're referring to being worried about
whether people will accept them as engineers, really the thing that I
found is if you do your job well, people don't care whether you're a guy
or a girl. They respect you for the work that you do, not whether youre
a male or female.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Billy writes in and wants to know: Do you miss
being a flight controller and what are you going to do next?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Well there's certainly some parts of flight
controller that I do miss. I do miss working in the control center during
the shuttle missions and having the excitement of being there and watching
the shuttle take off from Kennedy Space Center. And to be honest, I'm
not sure what I'm going to do next. I may stay in my current job. I'm
training one of the crews that are living on the Space Station, or that
will be living on the Space Station in March and May, and I might stay
and train another crew after that.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: When it gets time for you to, for them to do
actually a robotic mission, another question for me also, I was just wondering,
I think the students may be interested in hearing this. What happens during
missions? Do you actually work a console here in Mission Control and is
actually, something, a robotic task to be done that day or does someone
in your team do that?
Close up of Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: We do have a lot of flight controllers
and it's really their job to watch the astronauts and make sure that everything
goes very smoothly when they're actually using the robotic arm on orbit.
However, I will be there probably sitting beside the flight controller,
watching him, saying please, please, do everything well. At that point
I'm like a coach; I'm standing on the sidelines and I'm hoping my team
does a really good job.
Back to Erica
Erica: Juanita is a seventh grader, and Juanita thank
you for your question. She writes in, Elizabeth, and she wants to know,
where do you see yourself in five and then maybe ten years from now.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Well I certainly expect to see myself here
at NASA, and I hope, particularly in ten years, that I would be an astronaut
too.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: You know I was just wondering, Elizabeth, do
you see, once the International Space Station is finished being built,
what do you think about working on the International Space Station as
an astronaut, or giving some inspiration to our students about, it's going
to really be their generation that's going to need to come up and get
back on it's feet to explore space a little bit more.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Oh I would love to live on the Space Station,
once it's completed. It's going to be a very large place to live with
lots of experiments going on. Should be a really fantastic opportunity.
I would go in a minute if they would invite me.
Back to Erica
Erica: This is a timely question, and as a matter
of fact, I think you just answered something along those lines. Josh is
a fourth grader and Josh wants to know how many times have you seen the
shuttle launch?
Back to Elizabeth
Elizabeth: I have seen a shuttle launch four times.
My very first time was when I was in third grade, I was eight years old,
and my parents were in Florida. And they just took me down by the beach,
and I didn't know what to expect, and I was just amazed.
Video of space shuttle launch
Erica: Look at that, that's a beautiful launch right
there.
Elizabeth: Oh yeah, look at that.
Erica: I've never been to a launch, so I am a little
bit envious of your four launches. I've never been able to see four launches,
but is it true the ground shakes?
Elizabeth: It really is. I didn't expect it to really
shake because you're three to five miles away, you wouldn't think it would,
but it does and you can hear it.
Erica: Have you seen both day and night launches?
Elizabeth: Yes, at night it's like watching a star
just shoot towards the sky. It's absolutely beautiful.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: It looks like it would be very beautiful. Well
we have some more questions coming in and I'd like to find out the answer
to this one because I'm not even sure if I know what this is. Gloria,
an eighth grader, from Jackson Intermediate wants to know, whatever happened
to [MicroSat].
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: [MicroSat] was a project sponsored by the
Air Force, and it is actually going to be launched not on the space shuttle,
but on a Delta Rocket in May.
Erica: Okay. What exactly is [MicroSat] anyway?
Elizabeth: It was a small satellite, maybe three foot
long, that the Air Force was testing.
Erica: Very interesting.
Erica speaking on screen
Well it's really obvious that you guys are reading
Elizabeth's bio and you're writing in, and we really appreciate that.
For all of you that are still watching the video, you can still send in
some emails and that email address is questteam@hotmail.com, and we look
forward to answering your questions.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
We're here at the Johnson Space Center in Houston
with Elizabeth Bloomer, one of our engineers that helps train the astronauts
to get ready to use the robotic arm that's helping to build the Space
Station. So we are going to go on and get some more questions for you,
Elizabeth. Cory writes in and wants to know: Do you do simulations, practices
with the robotic arm like you did as a flight controller? Now I know you
answered part of that during your presentation.
Elizabeth: Yes, we certainly do practice a lot.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
We do have a lot of simulations with the robotic arm.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: Right, you were talking earlier how under the
water in the MBL, you practice seven times to the one that you're going
to do in space. What about in the other facilities, do you use Virtual
Reality at all?
Elizabeth: Oh, absolutely. We do the virtual reality
lab here at the Johnson Space Center and we're looking to have the robotic
arm,
Elizabeth speaking on screen
we can have someone practicing, pretending like they're
moving the robotic arm. And we can have people pretending they're using
the virtual reality helmet and gloves and they're practicing a space walk.
Because sometimes in the space walk, they are actually at the end of the
robotic arm so they have to talk. The people on the end of the robotic
arm have to talk to the person who moves the robotic arm.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Charlie is a fourth grader and writes in and
wants to know: Do kids ever get a chance to go to space?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: I sure hope so, Charlie. I would've loved
to have gone to space when I was a kid. So probably not while youre
still a kid, but maybe your kids will.
Close up of Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Absolutely. Rachel and Amber want to know have
you ever worked anywhere other than NASA?
Back to Elizabeth
Elizabeth: Yes, I did work at Texas Instruments for
a while, and I also worked for another company in Dallas called [Loral].
Actually they were working on part of the Space Station. But my very first
job before I started any of this engineering, I was a cashier at [Eckerts].
That convinced me I should go to college.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: Absolutely, I completely understand. Okay.
It's great for students, so see you start working, it does make you want
to hurry up and get your degree and be able to qualify for a jobs that
a little bit more rewarding.
Erica speaking on screen
Tell me a little bit about living in Strasbourg, France.
And I think that a lot of the students probably its their first
time hearing about the International Space University. We want to highlight
that a little bit today and probably ask you a few questions about how
did you hear about it and was it hard getting in, and as far leaving,
were you already working and had to make the decision of whether or not
to leave your job to go off to get a master's all the way in France for
a year or two.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: I actually went to the International Space
Station immediately after I finished my four-year degree here in the United
States. So I was not already working at NASA. I had been working at NASA
as a student, and I continued to work at NASA as student even while I
was in Strasbourg, I came here and worked for a few months.
But I heard about the program. I think I went to a
student conference while I was, I received my engineering degree from
Texas A&M and while a student at A&M, I heard about this thing
called the International Space University. And I looked it up on the Internet
and decided it would be a fantastic place to go and live for a year.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: That sounds really interesting, and I'm glad
that we're able to highlight to you students out there and again for you
to find out more about that, especially those of you that are getting
ready to possibly finish college or you're getting ready to go to college,
something to think about to further your career and to get some credentials
there.
So, Wilson writes in, Elizabeth, and wants to know:
How hard is it to actually operate that robotic arm?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: It actually takes a good bit of training.
The astronauts practice for many, many months before they're really very
comfortable with the robotic arm. It's kind of like where you have Driver's
Ed to learn a car, or to learn how to drive a car.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: So you said earlier that you used a virtual
reality a little bit to actually train them a little bit on the robotic
arm; how does that work?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Well particularly for the space walks when
we had somebody standing on the end of the robotic arm. You need the person
who is inside the Space Station operating the robotic arm. You want them
to really understand what the person who is doing the space walk says
when they say move me left. Well in space there's no up and down, left
or right, so he has to be able to figure out what the person who is doing
the space walk when he says, move me left, what does that really mean,
so we do a lot of training there.
Close up of Erica on screen
Erica: Jeffrey writes in and wants to know, are the
Canadians and/or Japanese the robotic arm specialists, and is that why
they are building the arm?
Back to Elizabeth
Elizabeth: I know Canada has a very good history with
robotics. They actually built the space shuttle robotic arm, and I think
it was just when we were looking for a robotic arm on the Space Station
and we said, Canada did a fantastic job on the space shuttle, we would
like them to do the same for the Space Station. And the Japanese are of
course, as a country it's very talented, and they were very excited to
develop their own robotic arm and we fully welcome their robotic arm on
board the Space Station. I can't wait to see it there.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: You know, it's really interesting, too. You
had mentioned earlier about all the different robotic arms and a lot of
us were like, wow, we didn't even realize that there were that many robotic
arms. Now you and I both know we get the privilege of actually working
at the Johnson Space Center and actually get to see all the cool training
facilities.
Because remember at JSC is actually where all the
astronauts train so we have life-size mock-ups of just about everything.
And the neat thing is with the Japanese experiment with the module that
is located here at one of our buildings has a mock-up of that robotic
arm right here in the building. And a lot of students may not understand
that they're going to use their arm specifically like you said for the
platform, and that is for research, for experiments.
Elizabeth: Right. Moving the experiments around.
Picture of International Space Station mock up.
Erica: Absolutely. I think absolutely. There we go.
You know what's interesting too, Elizabeth, I think a lot of students
have to remember that all of us are working together, this is going to
be a huge research facility the size of two American football fields and
so once we get the station built, we're actually doing research now, but
once we get the station built,
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
we also will be able to increase the amount of research
we're doing, and we also need to think about maintenance too. When you
continue to train astronauts in robotics for maintenance and upkeep of
the Space Station.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Oh. Absolutely. Absolutely. We need the
Space Station robotic arm in order to help do some of the maintenance
tasks on the outside of Space Station from this really, extremely hard
to get to, if not impossible for the astronauts during the space walks
to get to on their own.
Erica: Two questions for you. First one, when you
pick an astronaut,
Erica speaking on screen
when an astronaut crew is already selected, part of
their training has to do with figuring out what it is they're expected
to do on board. So you're going to have a person that's going to be responsible
for robotic arm movement. Do you train the entire crew, do they have a
back up?
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
I mean how far in advance do they have to train prior
to their mission and what if something happens to them where they're incapacitated
on a station they can't control or just something happens where another
person has to go up instead of them? How do you do that, work with that?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Well for example I would say my Space Station
crew, the one that's launching in May, we have three crew members who
will be living on board in the Space Station for five months, and two
of them are fully qualified to operate the robotic arm.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Kind of interesting. A lot of people tell us
walking around, it's not exactly the same, but they said if you like playing
video games, okay, you could actually make money one day, actually doing
something like training someone to work the robotic arm or actually work
it. Not quite as simple, but it may show that you have some interest in
something like that. So that's just something to think about.
Okay, we're going to move along with some of your
questions. We have about 10 minutes left in our program, so be sure to
write in to questteam@hotmail.com. We'd love to answer your questions.
This is our very last National Engineers' Week webcast and we're highlighting
the women of NASA with Elizabeth Bloomer.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
All right, Elizabeth, Ira writes in and wants to know:
Would you like to ride in the Vomit Comet again? Now before you answer
that question, maybe you can share with some of our students who have
no idea what Ira's talking about.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: The Vomit Comet, can we go ahead and show
him a picture of that. Okay. The Vomit Comet is a KC135, it's an airplane
that NASA has modified and what it does is it actually flies in
Video of the KC135 flying at a very steep angle
parabolas, so it goes up at a very steep angle, and
just like you see there, you can see that, you see the scenes here. They're
going to be floating, and in just a moment you'll see the plane go over,
and there'll be a very steep nose dive, and when the plane is going down,
that's when you see everyone float like that. You have about 20 seconds
of what we call free flight or free floating, which is where you feel
like you are on the Space Station.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
You feel like you are in space. It's a lot of fun,
but a lot of people get sick on it, hence, that's why it's called the
Vomit Comet.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: And that's really interesting. That's just
another one of those many student programs that you got to find out about,
as a matter of fact we have Web site for that. It is education.jsc.NASA.gov,
and you can find out about this education program, you can find out about
the co-op program, which a lot of students in universities come to NASA
to work with a mentor and find out just what types of engineering jobs
there are. You can find out more about that program again at that Web
site, which is education.jsc.NASA.gov.
Erica speaking on screen
All right, we have a question that's coming in, Elizabeth,
from Krista and Krista wants to know, in your travels, what was your favorite
place to visit and which culture interested you the most?
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: In my travels, I've been so fortunate to
go to so many countries. I certainly enjoyed my time in Japan because
the culture was so different. That was really a surprise to me, but I
really enjoyed getting to know the people because they were so incredibly
friendly and open. But I also very much enjoyed living in France for a
year and just having a different laid back lifestyle. For the first time
in my life since I was sixteen when I lived in France, I didn't have a
car. I walked everywhere. I had a bicycle. I took public transportation,
and I thought it was wonderful.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: That's kind of like here on site, Elizabeth.
You don't really have to have a car here at the Johnson Space Center,
but once you get off, you have to have one. Kind of like a really, really
close knit community, and it's really nice working out here.
Well, we have a question coming in from Willy and
he wants to know: What did you do to get help to design or build anything
since getting your degree as an engineer. I guess he's wanting to know,
have you helped design anything that's gone on Space Station or anything
like that.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: I haven't really done much design work
since I got my engineering degree from Texas A&M, and that's simply
because my current job is more hands-on, when you're a flight controller,
you're writing procedures, you're creating documentation. It's not quite
as technical as when we were talking earlier about the foot restraint
and I said an engineer would have to design the bolts and test the materials
and all of that. I'm not doing that kind of work, but there are a lot
of engineers at JSC here in Houston who do that very thing.
Erica: Now, Elizabeth, when you come to work for NASA
and you come and you're hired on.
Back to Erica
Do you have an opportunity to work in different areas
as an engineer once you're here? For example, when you, I guess maybe
when your positions come open, or do you know immediately when you come
if that's the type of engineering work you want to do.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Elizabeth: Are you referring to when you come in as
a...
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Oh yeah, absolutely. They really like it when you
enter the co-op, and go and you try different jobs. This is, I consider
co-oping is kind of like window shopping. You get to go try one group
maybe specializes in propulsion, and you get to go to another group and
you get to see what it's like to be a flight controller, or you can go
to another group and see what it's like to train astronauts. Then you
can decide, based on all these different things, which one you'd like,
and then that way you know where you want to go after you've graduated.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Erica: What a great opportunity for you to figure
out if engineering, first of all, is what you really are interested in
doing, and second of all, to just explore and see all the different facets
of the engineering that there are. NASA just is an absolutely wonderful
place because there are so many different areas of NASA that work with
in the engineering field. Not only is the Johnson Space Center, we're
just one of ten NASA centers around the country and just about anything
you can think of that has to do with designing or creating, creativity,
ingenuity, you can find it in the Space Program.
Shannon writes in and wants to know: Are you interested
in getting your doctorate degree?
Close up of Elizabeth speaking on the screen
Elizabeth: Well, I will never say, never. At this
time I don't have plans to, but it's a possibility for the future.
Back to Erica
Erica: Well this is going to put you on the spot,
so...
Elizabeth: Oh no.
Erica: Elizabeth, Sarah wants to know: If you could
have any job in the world, what would you want to be.
Back to Elizabeth
Elizabeth: Well, I think this goes back to I would
want to be an astronaut. But until then, because it is very hard to be
selected as an astronaut, I love my job of training astronauts, and I
love working at the Johnson Space Center; I really couldn't imagine working
anywhere else.
Erica speaking on screen
Erica: Okay, we still have time to take a few more
of your questions. Right before the hour, while on that note, maybe this
would be a great time to share with you guys exactly what it takes.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
First of all, you have to have at least your bachelors
degree and specifically in math and sciences.
Elizabeth: Absolutely.
Erica: I think the only other way that you can become,
actually be looked at to be an astronaut is if you came straight from
the military.
Elizabeth: Right, if you're a pilot in the military.
But many of our astronauts do have
Elizabeth speaking on screen
master's degrees, and a lot of them have gone on and
received their doctorate's. So they're medical doctors and things like
that, so a lot of schooling to be selected as an astronaut. Also one thing
that a lot of astronauts do is they get their private pilot's license.
And actually I'm working on learning how to fly right now.
Erica: That is really neat.
Elizabeth: I'm hoping next week that I, I will get
my own license.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: Well guess who's going to ask her to take her
flying. Okay, so that should be a lot of fun, absolutely. So we do, we
work with a lot of people that do have their pilot's licenses and things
like that. The one thing to remember is that a lot of our astronauts,
if they didn't get accepted around, they'll wait and keep on going, they'll
get more education and keep going back and trying.
Elizabeth: Many of the astronauts say they dont
get selected their very first time. Some of them try four or five or even
six times, and that's part of what they look for is perseverance: are
you really serious about wanting to do this. Because being an astronaut
can be a lot of fun, but it's not all just about flying. There's a lot
of different things astronauts have to do.
Erica: That's just some encouraging words to let you
know that there are a lot of people out here that are astronauts and engineers
and scientists, and they just kept on looking at what they wanted to do
and just kept working towards it.
Erica speaking on screen
So we have a couple more questions, and we're going
to get to those really quickly. Jackie wants to know: What other areas
of NASA are you interested in besides robotics and flight controller.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: Well there are just so many different areas
you can work at, at NASA. One of the neat projects out here right now
is the X38 project, which is a crew return vehicle. I have several friends
who are actually helping build this vehicle, and it's going to be tested.
It'll go up in the space shuttle payload bay, and they'll release it once
it's in orbit, and then it will fly down, on its own, and, hopefully,
safely land. So this is a really project here at JSC.
Erica and Elizabeth on screen
Erica: Okay. Well it's about time for us to go ahead
and wrap up for the day. We're wrapping up the end of a celebration for
National Engineers' Week. It's been a great week, we've met a lot of people,
learned about a lot of things going on here at NASA, and we couldn't think
of a better way to culminate our week without focusing on Women of NASA
to kick off March, which is National Women's History Month. Elizabeth
thank you so much for joining us today...
Elizabeth: Oh, You're welcome.
Erica: And students, we hope we've given you some
encouragement and enlightened you about some of the really cool things
that are happening here at the Johnson Space Center. With that, we would
like to ask if Elizabeth had any encouraging words to give students about
focusing on engineering and maybe what to do in school if you haven't
quite decided what you want to be when you grow up.
Elizabeth speaking on screen
Elizabeth: I would say just decide in your heart what
you want to do and keep working for it no matter what any body tells you.
You can do anything.
Erica: Okay, well with that everybody, we'd like to
say thank you from the Johnson Space Center's Distance Learning Outpost
Team and the team at Quest at Ames Research Center. Have a great day.
We're leaving you with a little bit of rock and roll to the International
Space Station. We call this an ISS Rockumentary. It's kind of like rock
& roll and a documentary put together with the best and the greatest
of the International Space Station. So with that, thank you very much,
and have a wonderful day.
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